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May 1

  • dreadnaut
    Happy birthday Seeker! :smiley: have a great day!
  • Heretic
    Happy birthday! @Seeker1982
  • Cas
    Happy birthday, Seeker!!! Hey, guys, a new race has started in Race For Kicks, featuring the Melange. Hope to see you there!

May 2

  • Seeker1982
    thx for the flowers; my birthday present was volume1+2 of a very expensive textbook about Medical TrainingTherapy (MTT; medizinische Trainingstherapie in german) and beginning to feeling fit again :cheesy: (before my illness I used to very capable in both endurance and strength training)

May 3

  • FinRok
    @Marco you got leading time of an Pentium! 586!! :cheesy:

May 4

  • Overdrijf
    I completely forgot to do a musical intermezzo during the February race, but since this has been another musical track I can work it in here: ...... Been spending most our lives racing in a pipsqueak paradise Requires sacrifice racing in a pipsqueak paradise We don't cheat we all play nice racing in a pipsqueak paradise Sixth gears and powerslides racing in a pipsqueak paradise We eat reheated rice racing in a pipsqueak paradise We don't bathe we all have lice racing in a pipsqueak paradise Red Bull is our one vice racing in a pipsqueak paradise Just hyperactive guys racing in a pipsqueak paradise Hear your oponents´ cries racing in a pipsqueak paradise Pick on someone your own size racing in a pipsqueak paradise
  • Overdrijf
    P.S. Before anyone feels insulted: beer doesn't count as a vice. There, now I'm sure it's all a hundred percent accurate.

May 5

  • Duplode
    This month has truly flown by!
  • dreadnaut
    Time's up, let's publish the quiet replays, then go to sleep :smiley:
  • Overdrijf
    Final stretch car twist, nice. I knew I was faster in the kart, but I had chalked that up to me being me. Also, bam, Cork doing business in the team standings.
  • Marco
    Ahahahh...Risto !!!
  • Stan 286XT
    And Cherry and Helene from CREW whot said? here olways man!!!
  • Overdrijf
    By the way, this was race 4 of the year, and the 3rd one with 2 different cars in the top 3. We also had three races with 2 different cars in the top 3 over the entire last year. Part of this was luck, but if the 1% coefficient change is doing what we were hoping for it may become a trend. P.S. The Jaguar in particular but the LM002 and the F40 as well can still use a little positive manual bonus adjustment if the upcoming track designers have them to spare.
  • CTG
    Oh LOL, forgot about the deadline...

May 6

  • Stan 286XT
    Is ready the new track?C214? :wink:
  • dreadnaut
    Scoreboard confirmed, congratulations to FinRok, Marco and Duplode! :smiley:
  • dreadnaut
    And now on to the next track, a tricky one by Cas!
  • Overdrijf
    Is that penalty time in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
  • Stan 286XT
    Lancia DELTA HF INTEGRALE 16V is a super car!!!!! If you go on the road whit that monster it is too fast and probably police take 4 point from your driving licence. I think you go 30km/h like cheap cars you probably broke the engine 1 cyclomotour make 30km/h!!!!! :smiley:
  • afullo
    I cannot even check Stan's replay :sad:
  • Seeker1982
    I too, Stans replay is broken/bugged
  • afullo
    It's likely that he doesn't use BB 1.1 version of Stunts: I had a similar problem with my first replays in 2014, when I was playing with MS 1.0 version.
  • Seeker1982
    btw: is this track even GARable? I don't see how that one jump from the floor to the elevated road on top of the hill is possible
  • afullo
    It seems to be very difficult, maybe with the Indy at 245mph powergear?
  • Seeker1982
    even in the Indy it's impossible - If your in powergear you only managae to crash into that elevated road from down below :shocked:
  • afullo
    Yes, it seems so by traveling at almost 200mph with the P962. Anyway, I claim LTB hours! :wink:
  • dreadnaut
    Indeed, there is something odd with Stan's replay. Further investigation is needed. Stan, which version of Stunts are you using for racing? c214sta.png
  • dreadnaut
    If we can't fix the issue, Stan's replay will be deleted, and LTB hours recalculated accordingly.
  • Overdrijf
    If the replay can´t be read by anybody else but still works on Stan´s machine he could always try to make a screen capture movie or something. Either way I´m pretty sure his actual time will for one reason or another be somewhat slower than the current number suggests.
  • Overdrijf
    Automatic gear Indy on a track with several loops?
  • Stan 286XT
    this is whith zs18 1.1 can read? but bb1.1 4ds 1.1 is the same things boooh
  • afullo
    As far as I remember, 4D Sports is Mindscape, not Brøderbund. Compatibility is not assured.
  • Overdrijf
    Could you otherwise just load up your replay just before the finish and drive across the line and make a screenshot of the evaluation screen? While we do make a point of all driving on the same version of the program, there's something else going on here as well. No offense to your skills, but there's no way the Lancia is that much faster even before correction than anything we're trying.
  • Seeker1982
    I can view Stans latest replay and tried to recreate it with my stunts version (driving exactly the same line as stan); my raw time is about 56sec, but with time-penalties (3min 45sec) due to the massive cutting it's over 4mins as you can see in the replay I just uploaded... - I think Stan forgot to file in the Penalty time
  • afullo
    And there is no space for a flux capacitor on a car suited for rallies. :tongue:
  • Overdrijf
    Okay, that makes sense, and kind of was what I was expecting.
  • afullo
    I'm on phone at the moment, from PC I will be able to check too. But I trust your test, it seems reasonable at all, fitting what is going on.
  • Seeker1982
    there's still the issue that the track is not GARable - even in the Porsche Indy - you have to make an exception in terms of racing line
  • Overdrijf
    Go between the slalom blocks in front of the obstacle and go through the cork after it, the section in between is freestyle, but still NoRH?
  • Seeker1982
    GAR is way more strict than just NoRH; your supposed to follow the yellow line, no shortcuts, all stunts properly executed, no SpeedUps etc
  • Overdrijf
    But you've tested it and concluded there's no possible way to do GAR on that section, after which you asked for a rules change on that specific section. Hence my suggestion for a rules change on that section.
  • Seeker1982
    sry misunderstood you; I've read you as you would have said that GAR is just NoRH; I think agreed to your proposed exception - actually i already tried GARing in a very similar way by driving on the banked road and return to the normal road just before the corkscrew
  • Overdrijf
    That is probably the most fun line for GARring, especially because that way you can just use the on ramp normally, it has a nice road-like flow.

May 7

  • Seeker1982
    my attempt at a GAR-lap
  • Cas
    Oops! Sorry, guys. I forgot it wouldn't be GARable. Otherwise, I would've added a split road for GAR. May I do that still?
  • dreadnaut
    @Stan: your two replays incur in a penalty time, because you cut too much of the track. The penalty time is visible in Stunts, during the lap and in the scoreboard screen. The penalty amount should be entered in the "Penalty time" field, when you upload you replay. I will now delete your results, feel free to upload a new replay entering the correct penalty time.
  • Stan 286XT
    In stunt IS POSSIBLE found SHORT WAY!!! I am not in a competition were I can't go offroad tere are penalitis times BOOOH!!!!
  • Overdrijf
    In that case I'm going to drive only the first two and last two tiles of every race from now on. Winner!
  • Overdrijf
    load-020.png Under 17 seconds. The crux of the matter is that we need some sort of cutoff for when a lap is legal. The ingame penalty time rules are good rules for that. You can skip any two road elements in a row at any time as often as you want, allowing for all sorts of clever jumpcuts and such, and in split road sections you can go completely crazy, as long as you start out using two elements of one path and end using two elements of another path. And since these rules are build into the game, we don't need to look at replays and such with a rulebook in hand to decide which shortcuts are okay and which are not. In this case the computer-referee thinks neither your shortcut nor mine are legal, and if we want to use them anyway we get a penalty of 15 seconds for the 3rd element skipped plus 3 extra second for every element after that. It's pretty steep, and you could argue that lowering the penalty will open new strategic shortcuts. But personally I'm opposed to removing the penalty time restrictions completely, otherwise the winning time for every race would be around 12 seconds or so, and the races would be boring.
  • afullo
    If a penalty time of 4:00 corresponds to cutting all except for the very first and last tiles, then 3:45 means that only five more tiles are correctly ran across. I have not counted the number of tiles of the winning path, though.
  • Overdrijf
    I was going to say I might be mistaken about the exact penalties, but then I watched the replay and 5 elements driven "correctly" sounds about right. Unfortunately crossroads and split roads are not quite the same thing.
  • Overdrijf
    (Stan's replay gives 3:36.00 penalty time, so that would be 8 more tiles then my "lap".)
  • Seeker1982
    Stan's current replay from 7th of May still is invalid in terms of not filing in penalty for cutting - if one loads and continues the replay from just before the finish you'll end up with 1:01min of raw time with 3:36 added penalty -> 4:37min real time..
  • Overdrijf
    So Stan did add the penalty time, but it got interpreted as 3.36 seconds rather than 3:36?
  • Overdrijf
    (O no, Seeker just missed a 2 or something. Ignore that last post of mine please.)
  • Seeker1982
    not sure; note that Stan driven time says 1:21min not 1:04min as it would be if stunts.hu have interpreted his penalty input as 3.36sec; since the driven time says 1:21min and the raw time is 1:01min stunts.hu must have interpreted his input as ~20sec penalty time
  • dreadnaut
    I tested different numbers in the penalty conversion using the RPLInfo page, and it seems to work correctly.
  • Seeker1982
    if that is the case I can't help suspecting Stan typed in a false penalty time on purpose.. (basically to cheat)
  • Overdrijf
    Stan has had some more weird issues, running on old hardware and different versions of Stunts. So it might be something weird about his replay. Doesn't make the lap valid of course, but it might be interesting if he looks at his times in future uploads to see if the scoreboard says something different than what he saw in game, to maybe see if there's a pattern. (Of course, if he is entering false penalty times to cheat, I'd advice him to bluff a bit more realistically. We only buy the huge time gaps on dual way switching tracks or with powergear cars :tongue:)

May 8

  • afullo
    Maybe we have to ask him to use BB 1.1, even if it seems not to be the only issue...
  • GTAMan15
    Stan, do you really play on a real hardware? Then it'll be hard to play with Broderbund v1.1, except if you have two floppy disks, and you can connect them to the MS-DOS PC, you can play from them
  • Cas
    Here's my first replay! I can see some of you tried the Acura. I have the feeling that, somehow, the #1 place at the end of this race will be on that car, but I admit I personally just can't handle the Acura very well. I'm happy with the Audi DTM :smiley:
  • GTAMan15
    Audi is a good car
  • afullo
    Ok, nonetheless versions different from BB 1.1 were scrapped from usability in the rules back in 2015.
  • Seeker1982
    updated GAR-lap with necessary exception

May 9

  • Seeker1982
    Acura NSX isn't exactly my favorite car :wink:
  • Cas
    Here's an improvement I made with the P962. Let's see if the resulting time is better or not. Still, I think in the end I'll stick to the Audi. Yes, it's good :smiley:
  • Overdrijf
    Thanks guys. Audi vs p962 is becoming quite an interesting test case, especially with this month having the same bonuses for them as the February race. I would have expected the DTM cars to be somewhat slower overall than the IMSA machines, but they seem to be able to make up for lost time in the corners.

May 13

  • KaoS
    This Track is to difficult for me. Im a Automatic driver but i cant go over that big jump where you can reach the next trackpart.... i losing my motivation about it.
  • afullo
    That part is difficult for everyone, don't give up! :wink:
  • Overdrijf
    The big jump is literally impossible to pull off just following the road. You have to find (or copy) a freestyle solution. This is even allowed for the GAR race this month, because there is no other way to do that part.
  • Seeker1982
    btw: when is Stan's time from the 7th May finally pulled of the charts? I think it's clear that it's either bugged (incorrect penalty time compution) or plain cheated by not typing in the correct penalty time for the line he took - either way its invalid
  • afullo
    Maybe dreadnaut kept it in case he would have posted other laps of the same kind, in order to erase them all at once. While it is becoming likely that he will not post other replays this month, his lap will be probably removed soon.

May 14

  • dreadnaut
    Almost: I was planning to correct the penalty time, but first I want to split time and penalty in the database. Been busy though :-(
  • Gutix
    Hello my friends! I am very happy to be here again and see active the community. Good work with the website!
  • Overdrijf
    That's one seriously impressive replay you got there.
  • GTAMan15
    Hello Gutix, do you have 4D Sports Driving 1.1 Feb 25 1991 release?
  • Gutix
    I use version 1.1 Feb 12 1991. Why?
  • GTAMan15
    Because that's the last PC release, which is unavailable
  • GTAMan15
    But the version's actually released. You're lucky if you have it Here, stop on 7:41
  • Overdrijf
    This is fun.
  • dreadnaut
    I approve :smiley:

May 15

  • Overdrijf
    At some point it kind of stops being funny Stan...
  • afullo
    Stan, non puoi continuare ad inserire giri in cui hai preso un sacco di penalità senza riportarla correttamente... (sorry for the Italian, maybe now it is more clear for him)
  • Stan 286XT
    Hello from Pordenone!! IN STUNTS 4DS IS THE SAME 1.1 i CAN FAUND DIFFERENT WAY i HAVE FOUND SHORT WAY TO GOAL! Böff reduction: 33B
  • dreadnaut
    Updated Stan's result to match the evaluation screen in Stunts: c214sta-2.png
  • GTAMan15
    Hey Stan, do you have Feb-25-1991 4D Sports Driving?
  • Overdrijf
    The track ends at the same point as where it begins Stan. It's not very hard to find a short way to the finish. The rules we use are meant to result in a challenge, in letting routes that are hard to drive and spectacular to watch win. While the rules are not perfect, they're better than just "drive out of the start square and back in in such a way that the game will accept it". That would result in very boring races, as I explained when I posted the picture proving I could do it within 1 seconds (and 4 minutes of penalty time). We count penalty time around here, please count it in your replays too.
  • Overdrijf
    *16 seconds, not 1
  • Overdrijf
    (If it turns out that 4D Sports Driving 1.1 does not indicate penalty time and that's where the confusion comes from, I vote to keep Stunts 1.1 as the standard version for the sake of the rules.)
  • Cas
    Gutix!!! Long time no see! Pleasure to have you racing on my track. Hey, I am running an OWOOT tournament too (Race For Kicks) at http://dimioca.com/r4k
  • afullo
    Mindscape *does* indicate penalty time, I used that version in the 90s. It was 1.0, but it is very unlikely that 1.1 does not indicate penalty time while 1.0 does.

May 16

  • Stan 286XT
    why on Race For Kicks is not possible use Lancia?
  • afullo
    At the moment Race for Kicks is a fixed car competition. Some degree of freedom can be allowed, like when any car from the DTM pack was suitable, but this is not the case for the majority of races.

May 17

  • FinRok
    Stan! :cheesy: I like your name as im big fan of Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy! They funniest persons ever lived! Great comedy gold! Here's one the vehicle gets scuffed lol :cheesy: -
  • Cas
    Yes, Race For Kicks is typically one fixed car per race, although there has been one race with more options. When there is more than one option, there's no handicap, so faster cars are always more convenient than slow ones. When only one car is allowed, it's usually a fast car. Lots can be changed, though. R4K is a young tournament.
  • Marco
    Ciao Stan, guarda che stai caricando replay che hanno penalità quindi n9n sono validi. Devi completare il circuito in modo corretto, se tagli troppo becchi penalità che poi devi caricare manualmente
  • Marco
    Hi Gutix, big honour to meet tou, 2004 ans 2010 world champion. Wow
  • GTAMan15
    Marco, still you have original 4D Sports Driving v1.1 Feb 25 1991 floppy disks?
  • GTAMan15
    Not I'm the only one who wants that version Does anyone have 4D Sports Driving 1.1 (25 Feb. 1991)
  • Overdrijf
    I was recently reminded of a thing that exists, and now so are you: http://create2048.com/game.php/?game=stunts

May 18

  • Seeker1982
    Stan's current replay is the same story all over again: driven 1:00,35 with 3:33min of penalty if one loads and continues it right before the finish.. Not quite sure why it says 1:19 driven time Btw regarding penalties: I have a competitive time in the Porsche Indy but i get a bit of penalty (~30sec) and I'm not sure how to avoid it..
  • Overdrijf
    Swerve around more... Never miss the tiles of more than two element in a row. (4 square elements count as one, you can for instance skip the tiles of two large corners in a row, but not a large corner and a banked corner, because the bank-up between them is a separate element.) (If you knew all this but were just venting frustration: good luck!)
  • Stan 286XT
    The high jump is impossible
  • dreadnaut
    @Stan Yes, the high jump is not meant to be completed. Under "All results" you can download other people's laps and see how they deal with that.
  • Overdrijf
    It is, literally. You can either try to jump to the right and slide back on to the road there (you skip the two bridge elements so you need to drive across the square with the offramp to avoid penalty time) or you can jump straight, drive on to the banked corner and come back in over the chicane tiles (you pass under both bridge elements so you can skip the off ramp and a single straightaway tile and still avoid penalty time). Another option is to miss the ramp and jump the hill to land on the elevated corner, but that's a tricky line...
  • dreadnaut
    @Stan Note that your best time at the moment is the one where you don't cut the track, and you have no penalty time. When you pile up 3 minutes of penalty, it's difficult to get a good position on the scoreboard!
  • Stan 286XT
    I am not on gar competition
  • dreadnaut
    But you are still entering the incorrect penalty: c214sta-3.png
  • GTAMan15
    Why aren't those images gray, as they look like in the game?
  • GTAMan15
    And for you, Stan, don't try to cheat on the race by cutting too much parts of the track. You'll get penalty times anyway, if you do that. Instead, play fairly

May 19

  • Cas
    Let's see how I do with the Porsche March Indy :smiley:
  • Duplode
    Welcome back, Gutix! It's fantastic to see you around.

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